Comments for Freedom Team India (FTI) http://freedomteam.in/blog Let's bring integrity into politics and freedom to India Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:25:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= Comment on Religious freedom and tolerance (public read only) by Mithun Dutta http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/religious-freedom-and-tolerance-%e2%80%93-a-draft-fti-policy#comment-7525 Mithun Dutta Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:25:44 +0000 http://freedomteam.in/blog/?p=21#comment-7525 I think we have to differentiate between the funding of Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) and other activities for our Ministry of Culture.. I support religion neutrality. We should consider every act which is unjust as unjust, voilence as voilence.. regardless of getting into the flavor of it.. whether it was religious, caste, creed, gender, tribe etc. We must stick to the law of minimum and not get carried away with religious sentiments.. Easier said but I know there will be outslash against us if we try to ‘change’ religious beliefs.. We have to stop entertaining such sentiments.. but smart diplomatic stand as per the situation.. Honestly none of us.. knows what religion or humanity is.. but we all understand rational reasoning. Lets stick to that.. Public places must be make national/state property.. All other so called public functions and ceremonies must take place in banquet halls.. private grounds etc.. with necessary regulations and disaster management. Lets make people responsible for their actions and beliefs now rather than allowing them means to blame us.. I think we have to differentiate between the funding of Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) and other activities for our Ministry of Culture.. I support religion neutrality. We should consider every act which is unjust as unjust, voilence as voilence.. regardless of getting into the flavor of it.. whether it was religious, caste, creed, gender, tribe etc. We must stick to the law of minimum and not get carried away with religious sentiments.. Easier said but I know there will be outslash against us if we try to ‘change’ religious beliefs.. We have to stop entertaining such sentiments.. but smart diplomatic stand as per the situation.. Honestly none of us.. knows what religion or humanity is.. but we all understand rational reasoning. Lets stick to that.. Public places must be make national/state property.. All other so called public functions and ceremonies must take place in banquet halls.. private grounds etc.. with necessary regulations and disaster management. Lets make people responsible for their actions and beliefs now rather than allowing them means to blame us..

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]]> Comment on Religious Freedom and Tolerance – for public comment by Abhishek http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/religious-freedom-and-tolerance#comment-5640 Abhishek Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:07:20 +0000 http://freedomteam.in/blog/?p=432#comment-5640 Sir Comprehensive and astute as a policy document. Although:   Clause 2(h) Temple management / shrine management should be over looked by Govt and be taxable as per corporate / Trust laws. They cannot accumulate monies in name of God and waste it. Religion is a bad translation of DHARMA akin to blind men of Hindoostan describing an elephant. What I understood on this critic of modern india is that Dharma is to be brought back. It is not religion but the philosophy evolved through eons. The gaiety and fervour I have seen with celebrations of festivals in our country is across all groups and we should strive to preserve it.    Sir
Comprehensive and astute as a policy document.
Although:   Clause 2(h) Temple management / shrine management should be over looked by Govt and be taxable as per corporate / Trust laws. They cannot accumulate monies in name of God and waste it.
Religion is a bad translation of DHARMA akin to blind men of Hindoostan describing an elephant.
What I understood on this critic of modern india is that Dharma is to be brought back. It is not religion but the philosophy evolved through eons.
The gaiety and fervour I have seen with celebrations of festivals in our country is across all groups and we should strive to preserve it. 
 

]]> Comment on FTI Inquiries Questions Suggestions by Sanjeev Sabhlok http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/fti-questions-suggestions#comment-4985 Sanjeev Sabhlok Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:44:30 +0000 http://freedomteam.in/blog/?p=405#comment-4985 <p>Dear Dr Guriqbal</p> <p>Let's discuss further on the FTI Forum, since these are matters of detail, in terms of actually doing something on the ground. Even delivering a single seminar or street play, etc. can be a major piece of work, given resource constraints. These efforts are definitely needed, for the task of spreading the message and educating the people must go hand in hand with finding more leaders. We need to do this systematically, and ensure that we can replicate the same thing across the country.</p> <p>Anyway, let's discuss further on the forum. Please raise the same issue there. More people will respond and we can actually do something concrete. Your energies will join with those of others who are on FTI. Together we can leverage each other's skills and make a difference.</p> <p>Regards</p> <p>Sanjeev</p> <p> </p> Dear Dr Guriqbal

Let's discuss further on the FTI Forum, since these are matters of detail, in terms of actually doing something on the ground. Even delivering a single seminar or street play, etc. can be a major piece of work, given resource constraints. These efforts are definitely needed, for the task of spreading the message and educating the people must go hand in hand with finding more leaders. We need to do this systematically, and ensure that we can replicate the same thing across the country.

Anyway, let's discuss further on the forum. Please raise the same issue there. More people will respond and we can actually do something concrete. Your energies will join with those of others who are on FTI. Together we can leverage each other's skills and make a difference.

Regards

Sanjeev

 

]]> Comment on FTI Inquiries Questions Suggestions by Kamal Kishore Sharma http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/fti-questions-suggestions#comment-4984 Kamal Kishore Sharma Wed, 23 Mar 2011 07:28:15 +0000 http://freedomteam.in/blog/?p=405#comment-4984 <p>Dear Dr Guriqbal,</p> <p>The issue raised by you is an argument put by almost 99% of the population that there is only one way and that is bottom-up i.e.  through the hearts of the people who vote and such people reside in rural as well as urban areas. There is no other option I agree ... the question then is not how to go into the hearts of people but WHEN to....you would know that public memory is short and to create a long lasting impression you have to be really a selfless Gandhi continuously working at the grassroots...and that is too much to expect from a political leader in today's era when the people who you have to figght to bring about a CHANGE are YOUR OWN PEOPLE.  Gandhi had a charged environment  (anti-British sentiments) to support his moves but the current population do not have one. All the factors like roti-kapda-makaan-gareebi-berojgaari-corruption-unnati etc. have almost become the bottomline buzzwords with every political party and leaders.  If, to begin with, if you agree with the rationale of our ambition that either we contest to win and win 300+ to be in power & bring CHANGE or else leave India to current situation, then we just need to figure out how do we differentiate ourselves and when to go big-bang.  Currently we are working around a politico-economic philosophy (classical liberalism), reaching out to get a team of 1500 level 4+ leaders, develop a strong equalitarian organisation and then when the leaders assemble go all out for 3 years to develop constituency by working on the ground, spreading message of freedom, take people's issues and problems and work on solutions. You see there...the only missing link is why would people vote for us...only IF THE WANT CHANGE...and there lies the key. The problems will remain and the solutions in people's eyes are also well known, and the incremental efforts of various political parties will continue...once we are organised with sufficient leaders, we will build the organisation, collect funds from people/stakeholders and go allout sufficiently in time before a targetted election.</p> Dear Dr Guriqbal,

The issue raised by you is an argument put by almost 99% of the population that there is only one way and that is bottom-up i.e.  through the hearts of the people who vote and such people reside in rural as well as urban areas. There is no other option I agree … the question then is not how to go into the hearts of people but WHEN to….you would know that public memory is short and to create a long lasting impression you have to be really a selfless Gandhi continuously working at the grassroots…and that is too much to expect from a political leader in today's era when the people who you have to figght to bring about a CHANGE are YOUR OWN PEOPLE.  Gandhi had a charged environment  (anti-British sentiments) to support his moves but the current population do not have one. All the factors like roti-kapda-makaan-gareebi-berojgaari-corruption-unnati etc. have almost become the bottomline buzzwords with every political party and leaders.  If, to begin with, if you agree with the rationale of our ambition that either we contest to win and win 300+ to be in power & bring CHANGE or else leave India to current situation, then we just need to figure out how do we differentiate ourselves and when to go big-bang.  Currently we are working around a politico-economic philosophy (classical liberalism), reaching out to get a team of 1500 level 4+ leaders, develop a strong equalitarian organisation and then when the leaders assemble go all out for 3 years to develop constituency by working on the ground, spreading message of freedom, take people's issues and problems and work on solutions. You see there…the only missing link is why would people vote for us…only IF THE WANT CHANGE…and there lies the key. The problems will remain and the solutions in people's eyes are also well known, and the incremental efforts of various political parties will continue…once we are organised with sufficient leaders, we will build the organisation, collect funds from people/stakeholders and go allout sufficiently in time before a targetted election.

]]> Comment on FTI Inquiries Questions Suggestions by grqblsngh@gmail.com http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/fti-questions-suggestions#comment-4978 grqblsngh@gmail.com Tue, 22 Mar 2011 04:41:14 +0000 http://freedomteam.in/blog/?p=405#comment-4978 Hi Sanjeev,                  You are right in the points explained above.But there is a very primary question.How can we change the mindset of the rural voter who has no access to internet,blogs,forums and hence is unaware of missions like FTI? the rural voter votes by virtue of ignorant mindset and short term promises by the politicians.he has no interest in changing the system but securing his basic needs from political parties.I think if we need to make FTI a mass success,we first need to work at the rural grassroot level.It can be in the form of street plays,campaigns,networks in rural areas,etc.so that the rural voter becomes aware.regarding the urban voter,we need a different approacheg.the young urban voter is active in blogs,forums,social networking sites but the middle aged voter has no interest in these things and has lately accepted the corrupt ways of our country,s governance.To enlighten them,we can hold city wise seminars for the working and business class.Secondly,kindly tell me how can i contribute by being based at amritsar.i have just recently joined FTI.I want some directions.   Dr Guriqbal Hi Sanjeev,
                 You are right in the points explained above.But there is a very primary question.How can we change the mindset of the rural voter who has no access to internet,blogs,forums and hence is unaware of missions like FTI? the rural voter votes by virtue of ignorant mindset and short term promises by the politicians.he has no interest in changing the system but securing his basic needs from political parties.I think if we need to make FTI a mass success,we first need to work at the rural grassroot level.It can be in the form of street plays,campaigns,networks in rural areas,etc.so that the rural voter becomes aware.regarding the urban voter,we need a different approacheg.the young urban voter is active in blogs,forums,social networking sites but the middle aged voter has no interest in these things and has lately accepted the corrupt ways of our country,s governance.To enlighten them,we can hold city wise seminars for the working and business class.Secondly,kindly tell me how can i contribute by being based at amritsar.i have just recently joined FTI.I want some directions.
 
Dr Guriqbal

]]> Comment on Religious Freedom and Tolerance – for public comment by Sanjeev Sabhlok http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/religious-freedom-and-tolerance#comment-3874 Sanjeev Sabhlok Wed, 15 Sep 2010 06:43:55 +0000 http://freedomteam.in/blog/?p=432#comment-3874 <p>Ramesh, Thanks. I've moved your comment re: my manuscript to <a href="http://discovery.sabhlokcity.com/your-views/" rel="nofollow">http://discovery.sabhlokcity.com/your-views/</a> since it is not directly related to FTI. I've also received your email and will respond separately.</p> <p>Regards</p> <p>Sanjeev</p> Ramesh, Thanks. I've moved your comment re: my manuscript to http://discovery.sabhlokcity.com/your-views/ since it is not directly related to FTI. I've also received your email and will respond separately.

Regards

Sanjeev

]]> Comment on Religious Freedom and Tolerance – for public comment by ramesh http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/religious-freedom-and-tolerance#comment-3873 ramesh Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:15:23 +0000 http://freedomteam.in/blog/?p=432#comment-3873   The further sequel to the above discussion alongwith many other things can be had at http://idealworldkrishna.blogspot.com/  
The further sequel to the above discussion alongwith many other things can be had at
http://idealworldkrishna.blogspot.com/

]]> Comment on Religious Freedom and Tolerance – for public comment by Sanjeev Sabhlok http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/religious-freedom-and-tolerance#comment-3865 Sanjeev Sabhlok Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:31:54 +0000 http://freedomteam.in/blog/?p=432#comment-3865 <p>Dear Ramesh</p> <p>What good is knowledge that is known only to so-called Gnanis? What I have in mind is knowledge that ANYONE can acquire by careful diligent study and critical thinking.</p> <p>I am glad you are looking through my two books (the second only a draft). Happy to clarify if you find anything in these books that violates what you call Dharma (I'm assuming that YOU are a Gnani and know what Dharma is, else please ask the relevant Gnani to discuss the issue).</p> <p>Btw, it won't be a bad idea (for my knowledge) if there is any succinct summary for a common man like me that clarifies what precisely Dharma is - starting with precise assumptions on human nature, etc. as you've outlined.  </p> <p>Regards</p> <p>Sanjeev</p> Dear Ramesh

What good is knowledge that is known only to so-called Gnanis? What I have in mind is knowledge that ANYONE can acquire by careful diligent study and critical thinking.

I am glad you are looking through my two books (the second only a draft). Happy to clarify if you find anything in these books that violates what you call Dharma (I'm assuming that YOU are a Gnani and know what Dharma is, else please ask the relevant Gnani to discuss the issue).

Btw, it won't be a bad idea (for my knowledge) if there is any succinct summary for a common man like me that clarifies what precisely Dharma is – starting with precise assumptions on human nature, etc. as you've outlined.  

Regards

Sanjeev

]]> Comment on Religious Freedom and Tolerance – for public comment by ramesh http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/religious-freedom-and-tolerance#comment-3862 ramesh Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:27:27 +0000 http://freedomteam.in/blog/?p=432#comment-3862 <a>Dear Sabhlok,</a>  Excited to see you replying to me. Surely it has clarified the matter to the extent to which I have commented. I am satisfied to see that you have agreed to the fact that Dharma is quite different from the Religion and that approach of the FTI is dharmic in nature. But note that the FREEDOM AND JUSTICE are JUST A FEW ASPECTS of the greatest Dharma. Greatest wonder to me is the fact that FTI is trying to establish an ideal society by establishing the Freedom, Justice and few similar things which are only a few insufficient aspects of the Dharma.  The essence is that without understanding the Dharma- which includes the study of the human instincts, its behavior over the period of time and other scientific aspects so abundantly and indirectly dealt with throughout the Indian tradition and to some extent by other religions and that DHARMA abounds in ADHARMIC APPROACH FOR THE SAKE OF DHARMA- there is every possibility of implementing Freedom, Justice and similar things in a bit distorted way and thus bound to fail over the period of time.  Note that wikipedia or similar things don’t have the authority to define it or describe its nature. Only Jnanies are apt to say what Dharma is. Now the subject enters altogether a very basic, philosophical (nay scientific) discussion which is indispensible and without which any approach (FTI or any other) is bound to fail horribly. This subject needs to be entered into only with your kind permission.   [I am talking of Dharma so much because Freedom and Justice are quite a relative terms when isolated from the Dharma (and cause havoc when established as such) and the same become absolute when they are in consistent with the Dharma and brings in ideal society only as such.]  I have just begun reading your two books. After I complete the same I will be returning to comment with more understanding of yours and pinpoint few flawed points of the FTI alongwith the remedial measures for the same.  However if you understand the exact intent of mine, waiting for your reply. Dear Sabhlok,
 Excited to see you replying to me. Surely it has clarified the matter to the extent to which I have commented. I am satisfied to see that you have agreed to the fact that Dharma is quite different from the Religion and that approach of the FTI is dharmic in nature. But note that the FREEDOM AND JUSTICE are JUST A FEW ASPECTS of the greatest Dharma. Greatest wonder to me is the fact that FTI is trying to establish an ideal society by establishing the Freedom, Justice and few similar things which are only a few insufficient aspects of the Dharma.
 The essence is that without understanding the Dharma- which includes the study of the human instincts, its behavior over the period of time and other scientific aspects so abundantly and indirectly dealt with throughout the Indian tradition and to some extent by other religions and that DHARMA abounds in ADHARMIC APPROACH FOR THE SAKE OF DHARMA- there is every possibility of implementing Freedom, Justice and similar things in a bit distorted way and thus bound to fail over the period of time.
 Note that wikipedia or similar things don’t have the authority to define it or describe its nature. Only Jnanies are apt to say what Dharma is. Now the subject enters altogether a very basic, philosophical (nay scientific) discussion which is indispensible and without which any approach (FTI or any other) is bound to fail horribly. This subject needs to be entered into only with your kind permission. 
 [I am talking of Dharma so much because Freedom and Justice are quite a relative terms when isolated from the Dharma (and cause havoc when established as such) and the same become absolute when they are in consistent with the Dharma and brings in ideal society only as such.]
 I have just begun reading your two books. After I complete the same I will be returning to comment with more understanding of yours and pinpoint few flawed points of the FTI alongwith the remedial measures for the same.
 However if you understand the exact intent of mine, waiting for your reply.

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